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> <channel><title>Comments on: A Futuristic Ferrari. Speed is a Given but Automated</title> <atom:link href="http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/</link> <description>Modern Industrial Design News</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:49:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4</generator> <item><title>By: cipher</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-2/#comment-303042</link> <dc:creator>cipher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-303042</guid> <description>love the scouter looking goggle</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the scouter looking goggle</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: blog news technology - Magnificent Men And Their Flying Ferrari</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-2/#comment-243806</link> <dc:creator>blog news technology - Magnificent Men And Their Flying Ferrari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-243806</guid> <description>[...] designer Iman Maghsoudi gave us a Ferrari that was akin to operating a PC touching speeds of 200 km/h; designer Vincent Montreuil has a [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] designer Iman Maghsoudi gave us a Ferrari that was akin to operating a PC touching speeds of 200 km/h; designer Vincent Montreuil has a [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Formula</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-212874</link> <dc:creator>Formula</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-212874</guid> <description>Iman,
I am no F1 conceptualist, but I am an automotive engineer, and one thing I can tell you is that at 200 kmh, the amount of energy expended on overcoming air friction is way,way,way higher than the amount of energy expended on overcoming rolling resistance. Keeping in mind that a teardrop is the most perfectly aerodynamic shape, we can see that, in some ways, your front-light, rear-heavy design would be almost aerodynamically counterproductive--driving backwards down the highway might be more efficient. Unfortunately, while teardrops are aerodynamically ideal, they are not generally stable enough that building a giant teardrop car would be effective. In order to improve vehicular stability, aerodynamic downforce must be generated at high speeds--unfortunately, generating this downforce via your aforementioned ground effects generates aerodynamic drag, reducing energy efficiency. Lifting the car using an aerofoil design will actually generate additional aerodynamic drag, as well--reducing rolling resistance slightly, yes, but at the cost of a heavy decrease in aerodynamic efficiency, which is a much greater factor, as we&#039;ve discussed.  In other words, your current design is taking a massive, massive amount of aerodynamic inefficiency on to actually increase vehicle instability at speed--you&#039;re hurting yourself doubly. Focusing on balancing aerodynamic efficiency and dynamic stability instead of just decreasing friction would lead to a much, much more efficient design.
This, of course, is not the case with a water-based aerofoil design--in that case, since the amount of energy necessary to propel a vessel through water is vastly greater than the amount of energy required to move the same vessel through air, maximizing the lift to minimize the contact with water, even at the cost of aerodynamic efficiency, is usually the most efficient choice.
Thus, we can see that the problem with using an aerofoil design on a car is that it is not a direct allegory to a boat--an aerofoil boat is more efficient because it pulls itself out of a higher-friction medium (water) to travel through a lower-friction medium(air)--and there is no convenient layer of lower-friction medium for cars to operate in just above their current operating medium. A hydrofoil does not reduce friction--it just moves the vessel to a zone of lower inherent friction.
I hope this helps,
Formula </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iman,</p><p>I am no F1 conceptualist, but I am an automotive engineer, and one thing I can tell you is that at 200 kmh, the amount of energy expended on overcoming air friction is way,way,way higher than the amount of energy expended on overcoming rolling resistance. Keeping in mind that a teardrop is the most perfectly aerodynamic shape, we can see that, in some ways, your front-light, rear-heavy design would be almost aerodynamically counterproductive&#8211;driving backwards down the highway might be more efficient. Unfortunately, while teardrops are aerodynamically ideal, they are not generally stable enough that building a giant teardrop car would be effective. In order to improve vehicular stability, aerodynamic downforce must be generated at high speeds&#8211;unfortunately, generating this downforce via your aforementioned ground effects generates aerodynamic drag, reducing energy efficiency. Lifting the car using an aerofoil design will actually generate additional aerodynamic drag, as well&#8211;reducing rolling resistance slightly, yes, but at the cost of a heavy decrease in aerodynamic efficiency, which is a much greater factor, as we&#39;ve discussed.  In other words, your current design is taking a massive, massive amount of aerodynamic inefficiency on to actually increase vehicle instability at speed&#8211;you&#39;re hurting yourself doubly. Focusing on balancing aerodynamic efficiency and dynamic stability instead of just decreasing friction would lead to a much, much more efficient design.</p><p>This, of course, is not the case with a water-based aerofoil design&#8211;in that case, since the amount of energy necessary to propel a vessel through water is vastly greater than the amount of energy required to move the same vessel through air, maximizing the lift to minimize the contact with water, even at the cost of aerodynamic efficiency, is usually the most efficient choice.</p><p>Thus, we can see that the problem with using an aerofoil design on a car is that it is not a direct allegory to a boat&#8211;an aerofoil boat is more efficient because it pulls itself out of a higher-friction medium (water) to travel through a lower-friction medium(air)&#8211;and there is no convenient layer of lower-friction medium for cars to operate in just above their current operating medium. A hydrofoil does not reduce friction&#8211;it just moves the vessel to a zone of lower inherent friction.</p><p>I hope this helps,<br
/> Formula</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Formula</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-274712</link> <dc:creator>Formula</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-274712</guid> <description>Iman,
I am no F1 conceptualist, but I am an automotive engineer, and one thing I can tell you is that at 200 kmh, the amount of energy expended on overcoming air friction is way,way,way higher than the amount of energy expended on overcoming rolling resistance. Keeping in mind that a teardrop is the most perfectly aerodynamic shape, we can see that, in some ways, your front-light, rear-heavy design would be almost aerodynamically counterproductive--driving backwards down the highway might be more efficient. Unfortunately, while teardrops are aerodynamically ideal, they are not generally stable enough that building a giant teardrop car would be effective. In order to improve vehicular stability, aerodynamic downforce must be generated at high speeds--unfortunately, generating this downforce via your aforementioned ground effects generates aerodynamic drag, reducing energy efficiency. Lifting the car using an aerofoil design will actually generate additional aerodynamic drag, as well--reducing rolling resistance slightly, yes, but at the cost of a heavy decrease in aerodynamic efficiency, which is a much greater factor, as we&#039;ve discussed.  In other words, your current design is taking a massive, massive amount of aerodynamic inefficiency on to actually increase vehicle instability at speed--you&#039;re hurting yourself doubly. Focusing on balancing aerodynamic efficiency and dynamic stability instead of just decreasing friction would lead to a much, much more efficient design.
This, of course, is not the case with a water-based aerofoil design--in that case, since the amount of energy necessary to propel a vessel through water is vastly greater than the amount of energy required to move the same vessel through air, maximizing the lift to minimize the contact with water, even at the cost of aerodynamic efficiency, is usually the most efficient choice.
Thus, we can see that the problem with using an aerofoil design on a car is that it is not a direct allegory to a boat--an aerofoil boat is more efficient because it pulls itself out of a higher-friction medium (water) to travel through a lower-friction medium(air)--and there is no convenient layer of lower-friction medium for cars to operate in just above their current operating medium. A hydrofoil does not reduce friction--it just moves the vessel to a zone of lower inherent friction.
I hope this helps,
Formula</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iman,</p><p>I am no F1 conceptualist, but I am an automotive engineer, and one thing I can tell you is that at 200 kmh, the amount of energy expended on overcoming air friction is way,way,way higher than the amount of energy expended on overcoming rolling resistance. Keeping in mind that a teardrop is the most perfectly aerodynamic shape, we can see that, in some ways, your front-light, rear-heavy design would be almost aerodynamically counterproductive&#8211;driving backwards down the highway might be more efficient. Unfortunately, while teardrops are aerodynamically ideal, they are not generally stable enough that building a giant teardrop car would be effective. In order to improve vehicular stability, aerodynamic downforce must be generated at high speeds&#8211;unfortunately, generating this downforce via your aforementioned ground effects generates aerodynamic drag, reducing energy efficiency. Lifting the car using an aerofoil design will actually generate additional aerodynamic drag, as well&#8211;reducing rolling resistance slightly, yes, but at the cost of a heavy decrease in aerodynamic efficiency, which is a much greater factor, as we&#039;ve discussed.  In other words, your current design is taking a massive, massive amount of aerodynamic inefficiency on to actually increase vehicle instability at speed&#8211;you&#039;re hurting yourself doubly. Focusing on balancing aerodynamic efficiency and dynamic stability instead of just decreasing friction would lead to a much, much more efficient design.</p><p>This, of course, is not the case with a water-based aerofoil design&#8211;in that case, since the amount of energy necessary to propel a vessel through water is vastly greater than the amount of energy required to move the same vessel through air, maximizing the lift to minimize the contact with water, even at the cost of aerodynamic efficiency, is usually the most efficient choice.</p><p>Thus, we can see that the problem with using an aerofoil design on a car is that it is not a direct allegory to a boat&#8211;an aerofoil boat is more efficient because it pulls itself out of a higher-friction medium (water) to travel through a lower-friction medium(air)&#8211;and there is no convenient layer of lower-friction medium for cars to operate in just above their current operating medium. A hydrofoil does not reduce friction&#8211;it just moves the vessel to a zone of lower inherent friction.</p><p>I hope this helps,<br
/> Formula</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pooya Aledavood</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-2/#comment-148985</link> <dc:creator>Pooya Aledavood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:56:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-148985</guid> <description>What a greatful design it is...
Its Continuity of Ferrari meaning
by new Expression.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a greatful design it is&#8230;<br
/> Its Continuity of Ferrari meaning<br
/> by new Expression.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ali Haji</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-109225</link> <dc:creator>Ali Haji</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-109225</guid> <description>Aghaye maghsoodi tabrik migam .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aghaye maghsoodi tabrik migam .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Un Ferrari Futurista. La velocidad es un hecho, pero automatizada &#171; inetworks</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-91959</link> <dc:creator>Un Ferrari Futurista. La velocidad es un hecho, pero automatizada &#171; inetworks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:26:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-91959</guid> <description>[...] García, iNetworks.wordpress.com,  Tecnología Automotirz, Fuente: yankodesign       Categorías:Tecnología Automotriz Etiquetas:Tecnología Automotriz       Comentarios (0) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] García, iNetworks.wordpress.com,  Tecnología Automotirz, Fuente: yankodesign       Categorías:Tecnología Automotriz Etiquetas:Tecnología Automotriz       Comentarios (0) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mohammad Ebadi</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-85238</link> <dc:creator>Mohammad Ebadi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:10:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-85238</guid> <description>iman jan tabrik migam
ideh khili jalebieh
be omid movafaghiyat haye bishtaret</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iman jan tabrik migam<br
/> ideh khili jalebieh<br
/> be omid movafaghiyat haye bishtaret</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: La Ferrari du Futur ! &#187; Starprivate</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-82890</link> <dc:creator>La Ferrari du Futur ! &#187; Starprivate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-82890</guid> <description>[...]  Yanko Design   Posted in Délires, Sport Tagged with automobile, bolide, course, design, F1, Ferrari, futur, Prototype, voiture    Subscribe Feed &#124; Leave a Comment &#124; Bookmark &amp; Share    &#171; Carmen Electra Baisse le Bikini ! Secret Story 2 : Samantha Reine du Piercing ! &#187; [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Yanko Design   Posted in Délires, Sport Tagged with automobile, bolide, course, design, F1, Ferrari, futur, Prototype, voiture    Subscribe Feed | Leave a Comment | Bookmark &amp; Share    &laquo; Carmen Electra Baisse le Bikini ! Secret Story 2 : Samantha Reine du Piercing ! &raquo; [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eli</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/08/18/a-futuristic-ferrari-speed-is-a-given-but-automated/comment-page-1/#comment-79586</link> <dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/?p=2027#comment-79586</guid> <description>Reminds me loosely of the Mazda Kaan. Among other issues it looks as though there is too much weight on the back and if the road/tack this drove on had any imperfections I think that it might just flip over.
Oh well it is pretty though :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me loosely of the Mazda Kaan. Among other issues it looks as though there is too much weight on the back and if the road/tack this drove on had any imperfections I think that it might just flip over.</p><p>Oh well it is pretty though <img
src='http://www.yankodesign.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
