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> <channel><title>Comments on: Philippe Starck Blows!</title> <atom:link href="http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/</link> <description>Modern Industrial Design News</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:01:25 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4</generator> <item><title>By: li lungto</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-47507</link> <dc:creator>li lungto</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:09:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-47507</guid> <description>You typically spend about $10,000 to get a home-sized wind generator, plus all the ancillary equipment, the 35′ pole so it’s high enough to get some wind, etc. Another $5K and you get the inverter (to stay hooked up to the grid and so you don’t need massive batteries) and the labor to hook it all up (and the certified electrician where required). And for all that you get a system that produces 1.8kW peak — in other words, that its max when the wind is blowing at 30+ mph. In most places (not right on an ocean shore), where the wind is averaging 6-10 mph, that standard wind generator might produce about 700-800W, or about 15-18kWh/day. That amount could certainly be 20-60% of a household’s usage (in my experience as a solar installer, typical American single family homes tend to range between 20 and 100 kWh/day). But the idea that you might get something that does the same thing as a $15,000 set up for less than a grand…?! If it sounds too good to be true (and especially if there’s no substantiating data being reported…)…</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You typically spend about $10,000 to get a home-sized wind generator, plus all the ancillary equipment, the 35′ pole so it’s high enough to get some wind, etc. Another $5K and you get the inverter (to stay hooked up to the grid and so you don’t need massive batteries) and the labor to hook it all up (and the certified electrician where required). And for all that you get a system that produces 1.8kW peak — in other words, that its max when the wind is blowing at 30+ mph. In most places (not right on an ocean shore), where the wind is averaging 6-10 mph, that standard wind generator might produce about 700-800W, or about 15-18kWh/day. That amount could certainly be 20-60% of a household’s usage (in my experience as a solar installer, typical American single family homes tend to range between 20 and 100 kWh/day). But the idea that you might get something that does the same thing as a $15,000 set up for less than a grand…?! If it sounds too good to be true (and especially if there’s no substantiating data being reported…)…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Solar Warrior</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-35078</link> <dc:creator>Solar Warrior</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:09:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-35078</guid> <description>You typically spend about $10,000 to get  a home-sized wind generator, plus all the ancillary equipment, the 35&#039; pole so it&#039;s high enough to get some wind, etc.  Another $5K and you get the inverter (to stay hooked up to the grid and so you don&#039;t need massive batteries) and the labor to hook it all up (and the certified electrician where required).  And for all that you get a system that produces 1.8kW &lt;i&gt;peak&lt;i&gt; -- in other words, that its max when the wind is blowing at 30+ mph.  In most places (not right on an ocean shore), where the wind is averaging 6-10 mph, that standard wind generator might produce about 700-800W, or about 15-18kWh/day.  That amount could certainly be 20-60% of a household&#039;s usage (in my experience as a solar installer, typical American single family homes tend to range between 20 and 100 kWh/day).  But the idea that you might get something that does the same thing as a $15,000 set up for less than a grand...?!  If it sounds too good to be true (and especially if there&#039;s no substantiating data being reported...)...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You typically spend about $10,000 to get  a home-sized wind generator, plus all the ancillary equipment, the 35&#8242; pole so it&#8217;s high enough to get some wind, etc.  Another $5K and you get the inverter (to stay hooked up to the grid and so you don&#8217;t need massive batteries) and the labor to hook it all up (and the certified electrician where required).  And for all that you get a system that produces 1.8kW <i>peak</i><i> &#8212; in other words, that its max when the wind is blowing at 30+ mph.  In most places (not right on an ocean shore), where the wind is averaging 6-10 mph, that standard wind generator might produce about 700-800W, or about 15-18kWh/day.  That amount could certainly be 20-60% of a household&#8217;s usage (in my experience as a solar installer, typical American single family homes tend to range between 20 and 100 kWh/day).  But the idea that you might get something that does the same thing as a $15,000 set up for less than a grand&#8230;?!  If it sounds too good to be true (and especially if there&#8217;s no substantiating data being reported&#8230;)&#8230;</i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: hi</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-34035</link> <dc:creator>hi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:44:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-34035</guid> <description>nice</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: eric</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-32526</link> <dc:creator>eric</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:31:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-32526</guid> <description>starck is a pitiful excuse for a designer...ridiculous</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>starck is a pitiful excuse for a designer&#8230;ridiculous</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Edgar</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-32237</link> <dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:16:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-32237</guid> <description>It  was active; it was spinning and so but I really didn&#039;t like it or even understood the real function... It was a big module, ugly. not very functional.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It  was active; it was spinning and so but I really didn&#8217;t like it or even understood the real function&#8230; It was a big module, ugly. not very functional.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zippyflounder</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-31937</link> <dc:creator>zippyflounder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-31937</guid> <description>was it functioning? or just a place for birds to hang out on?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was it functioning? or just a place for birds to hang out on?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: carl</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-31884</link> <dc:creator>carl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:17:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-31884</guid> <description>I think he has forgotten to plaster his name acress it in huge letters.. :)
tomorrow will be less, yes i agree, less Starck..
forget reputations, you are only as good as your last piece of design... so for phil, perhaps design is dead?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he has forgotten to plaster his name acress it in huge letters.. <img
src='http://www.yankodesign.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>tomorrow will be less, yes i agree, less Starck..</p><p>forget reputations, you are only as good as your last piece of design&#8230; so for phil, perhaps design is dead?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Edgar</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-31861</link> <dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:02:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-31861</guid> <description>Saw this at Milano :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw this at Milano <img
src='http://www.yankodesign.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zippyflounder</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-31838</link> <dc:creator>zippyflounder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:52:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-31838</guid> <description>OOOPPPPPPPsie  ......check this out....&quot;The Windstar 1066 turbine with a rated power of 50 kW. The turbine used 30 foot long blades of pulltruded fiberglass. The turbine&#039;s rotor was 35.5 feet wide. Field testing demonstrated increased efficiency of the longer blades of that model and pointed to the potential to produce a cost-effective and efficient machine that does not employ &quot;stators&quot; (aerodynamically shaped columns on the outside superstructure that funnel a wider swept area of wind into the rotors to increase power output).&quot;
starkies unit has a blade size of 3&#039; or so, that would make ohhhhh about 5,000 watts MAX!  Dont know about you folks but 5000 watts aint much when a toaster pulls 1500 watts all by its self.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOOPPPPPPPsie  &#8230;&#8230;check this out&#8230;.&#8221;The Windstar 1066 turbine with a rated power of 50 kW. The turbine used 30 foot long blades of pulltruded fiberglass. The turbine&#8217;s rotor was 35.5 feet wide. Field testing demonstrated increased efficiency of the longer blades of that model and pointed to the potential to produce a cost-effective and efficient machine that does not employ &#8220;stators&#8221; (aerodynamically shaped columns on the outside superstructure that funnel a wider swept area of wind into the rotors to increase power output).&#8221;</p><p>starkies unit has a blade size of 3&#8242; or so, that would make ohhhhh about 5,000 watts MAX!  Dont know about you folks but 5000 watts aint much when a toaster pulls 1500 watts all by its self.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zippyflounder</title><link>http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/comment-page-1/#comment-31837</link> <dc:creator>zippyflounder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2008/07/02/philippe-starck-blows/#comment-31837</guid> <description>did a bit of research, looks like that sucker is going to have to be in a REALY windy place to do whats claimed....oh well he does have a partner that knows about generation, wonder who checked his aerodynaics and engineering though..............
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_axis_wind_turbine
Vertical-axis wind turbines (VAWT) are a type of wind turbine where the main rotor shaft runs vertically. Among the advantages of this arrangement are that generators and gearboxes can be placed close to the ground, and that VAWT do not need to be pointed into the wind. Major drawbacks for the early designs (savonius, darrieus, giromill and cycloturbine) included the pulsatory torque that can be produced during each revolution and the huge bending moments on the blades. Later designs like turby, quietrevolution and aerotecture solved the torque issue by using the helical twist of the blades, similar to Gorlov&#039;s water turbines.
Drag-type VAWT, such as the Savonius rotor, typically operate at lower tipspeed ratios than lift-based VAWT such as Darrieus rotors and cycloturbines.
[edit] General Aerodynamics
The forces and the velocities acting in a Darrieus turbine are depicted in figure 1. The resultant velocity vector, , is the vectorial sum of the undisturbed upstream air velocity, , and the velocity vector of the advancing blade, .
Fig1: Forces and velocities acting in a Darrieus turbine for various azimutal positionsThus, the oncoming fluid velocity varies, the maximum is found for  and the minimum is found for , where θ is the azimutal or orbital blade position. The angle of attack, α, is the angle between the oncoming air speed,W, and the blade&#039;s chord. The resultant airflow creates a varying, positive angle of attack to the blade in the upstream zone of the machine which switch sign in the downstream zone of the machine. From geometrical considerations, the resultant airspeed flow and the incidence angle are calculated as follows:
where  is the tip speed ratio parameter.
The resultant aerodynamic force is decomposed either in lift (L) - drag (D) components or normal (N) - tangential (T) components. The forces are considered acting at 1/4 chord from the leading edge, in order to minimise the pitching moment. The aeronautical terms lift and drag are, strictly speaking, forces across and along the approaching net relative airflow respectively. The tangential force is acting along the blade&#039;s velocity and, thus, pulling the blade around, and the normal force is acting radially, and, thus, is acting against the bearings. The lift and the drag force are useful when dealing with the aerodynamic behaviour around each blade, i.e. dynamic stall, boundary layer, etc; while when dealing with global performance, fatigue loads, etc., it is more convenient to have a normal-tangential frame. The lift and the drag coefficients are usually normalized by the dynamic pressure of the relative airflow, while the normal and the tangential coefficients are usually normalized by the dynamic pressure of undisturbed upstream fluid velocity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did a bit of research, looks like that sucker is going to have to be in a REALY windy place to do whats claimed&#8230;.oh well he does have a partner that knows about generation, wonder who checked his aerodynaics and engineering though&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p><p><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_axis_wind_turbine" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_axis_wind_turbine</a></p><p>Vertical-axis wind turbines (VAWT) are a type of wind turbine where the main rotor shaft runs vertically. Among the advantages of this arrangement are that generators and gearboxes can be placed close to the ground, and that VAWT do not need to be pointed into the wind. Major drawbacks for the early designs (savonius, darrieus, giromill and cycloturbine) included the pulsatory torque that can be produced during each revolution and the huge bending moments on the blades. Later designs like turby, quietrevolution and aerotecture solved the torque issue by using the helical twist of the blades, similar to Gorlov&#8217;s water turbines.</p><p>Drag-type VAWT, such as the Savonius rotor, typically operate at lower tipspeed ratios than lift-based VAWT such as Darrieus rotors and cycloturbines.</p><p>[edit] General Aerodynamics<br
/> The forces and the velocities acting in a Darrieus turbine are depicted in figure 1. The resultant velocity vector, , is the vectorial sum of the undisturbed upstream air velocity, , and the velocity vector of the advancing blade, .</p><p>Fig1: Forces and velocities acting in a Darrieus turbine for various azimutal positionsThus, the oncoming fluid velocity varies, the maximum is found for  and the minimum is found for , where θ is the azimutal or orbital blade position. The angle of attack, α, is the angle between the oncoming air speed,W, and the blade&#8217;s chord. The resultant airflow creates a varying, positive angle of attack to the blade in the upstream zone of the machine which switch sign in the downstream zone of the machine. From geometrical considerations, the resultant airspeed flow and the incidence angle are calculated as follows:</p><p>where  is the tip speed ratio parameter.</p><p>The resultant aerodynamic force is decomposed either in lift (L) &#8211; drag (D) components or normal (N) &#8211; tangential (T) components. The forces are considered acting at 1/4 chord from the leading edge, in order to minimise the pitching moment. The aeronautical terms lift and drag are, strictly speaking, forces across and along the approaching net relative airflow respectively. The tangential force is acting along the blade&#8217;s velocity and, thus, pulling the blade around, and the normal force is acting radially, and, thus, is acting against the bearings. The lift and the drag force are useful when dealing with the aerodynamic behaviour around each blade, i.e. dynamic stall, boundary layer, etc; while when dealing with global performance, fatigue loads, etc., it is more convenient to have a normal-tangential frame. The lift and the drag coefficients are usually normalized by the dynamic pressure of the relative airflow, while the normal and the tangential coefficients are usually normalized by the dynamic pressure of undisturbed upstream fluid velocity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
